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Demands and Dread

I am facing today with a mixture of excitement and dread. The excitement of anticipation comes from the developing reality that the day is pregnant with possibilities and packed with responsibilities that I relish, opportunities for good and for exercise of my gifts.

The dread is for the same reasons and the gap between the two extremes is that there is no gap. All gaps have been filled. The day is packed tight. I have not allowed processing time, down time, or preparation time.

I enter this day as prepared as I will be and I turn on the engine knowing that it will run until bedtime.

I am not sure that "dread" is such a bad word. It is like the fear of the Lord, the beginning of wisdom, the fear that dispels all other fears and depletes them of their power. This dread is in the knowledge that the day will be demanding, awesome, and somewhat unknown.

How do I make this DREAD work for me in meeting the demands of my life today?

D - Dependence - Everything about a demanding day points toward our dependence on some positive things - God, our teammates, our preparation, our inner resources, our conviction that what we are doing is true to our calling and must be done.

R - Reflection - That is what I am doing now - before the day really begins. We build it in upfront or we die. I am way too busy not to have read scripture and prayed this morning. There are far too many demands on my life today for me to hit the ground running thoughtlessly or haphazardly.

E - Eagerness - I am truly eager to embrace these demands because they are part of the reason I am on this planet. I was born to do the things I will do today. My dread is really more about what will be left undone, the things I must postpone, and the nagging suspicion that I am not quite ready. Eagerness allows me to embrace the wonder of what God will do in spite of and sometimes, because of my inadequacies.

A - Acceptance - The day has begun. I have just a few minutes to wrap this up, grab a shower, and get out of the house. The clock does not lie. The calendar is accurate. The day is what it is and things are scheduled. At any time, God can change everything, but for now, I accept that it is what it is.

D - Do It! - It is time to begin. I can wimp out or step up. If I wimp out, it will not be the first time, but it will also not be the last. It will make it easier to quit next time and that is something I ought to truly dread.  Just do it. Take a deep breath and step into the day with both feet.

As I will find pockets of rest, moments of refreshment, and much energy for whatever is demanded. Whenever I am caught up in the middle of my calling, I am renewed.

- Tom Sims
The Dream Factory


Jonah 2 – Running Toward God

1 From inside the fish Jonah prayed to the LORD his God.

This is the first time that we actually see Jonah praying. Even the crew of the ship, made up of pagans was praying.

Doesn’t it irk you when you are the supposed to be the religious one and everyone else is more pious than you? This week, I have been reading numerous discussions of the revelations of Mother Teresa’s spiritual struggles and honest doubts. 

She was in good company and she was brutally honest with God. Ultimately, she proved by her life, obedience, and devotion that she trusted God. 

It has taken Jonah three days and nights in this dark, smelly, and dismal place to come to the point of prayer. 

What does it take to get you to pray? 

I’ll be honest. There are times I simply do not want to pray. Like Jonah, I have found myself running in the opposite direction of God, seeking to avoid Him as much as possible. Jonah knows what he will face and he will pray when he is good and ready. 

Finally, he is good and ready. 

Are you ready?

What storms have you already been through? From what calling or nudging have you been running? What conflict have you been avoiding? What task have you been procrastinating into oblivion? 

2 He said:
       "In my distress I called to the LORD,
       and he answered me.
       From the depths of the grave [a] I called for help,
       and you listened to my cry.
 

There is a footnote [a] here to alert us to a textual issue. The word for “grave” is sheol. It is dark abode of the dead in Hebrew theology. It has been erroneously translated as hell, but it is not a place of final judgment. It is dark and gloomy and lonely and despairing like the bottom of the sea.

Jonah was sinking when God sent this fish and it was through the fish, a never before, never again miracle, that God rescued Jonah. 

Perhaps Jonah had been praying in some way. Nothing in the record says he prayed, but he says that he called on the Lord. If so, perhaps it was without words or premeditation. Perhaps it was without voice and so feeble that even he could not be sure. 

I. It happened in DISTRESS. 

3 You hurled me into the deep,
       into the very heart of the seas,
       and the currents swirled about me;
       all your waves and breakers
       swept over me.

 

4 I said, 'I have been banished
       from your sight;
       yet I will look again
       toward your holy temple.'

5 The engulfing waters threatened me, [b] (Jonah 2:5 Or waters were at my throat )

       the deep surrounded me;
       seaweed was wrapped around my head.
 

6 To the roots of the mountains I sank down;
       the earth beneath barred me in forever.
       But you brought my life up from the pit,
       O LORD my God. 

7 "When my life was ebbing away … 

D – Dissonance – “Lack of agreement, consistency, or harmony; conflict.” The dissonance is between Jonah and God. It is a disagreement. God has one plan; Jonah has another. That will cause you profound distress. 

I – Inconsistency – There was a gap between what Jonah believed and preached and what he was doing. He proclaimed, as a prophet, the Sovereignty of God. Yet, he could not let God be sovereign over his own life. Have you ever considered the kinds of people God uses and how He must work in our lives to bridge this gap of inconsistency? 

S – Separation – In the sea, Jonah is severed from everything and everyone. He has no assurances there. He has nothing to which to cling. To drown is to be surrounded by separateness. It is lonely in the depths of death. He is, according to verse 3, swept over by the waters that are separating him from life itself. He declares that he has been banished. 

T – Truth – The truth can be very troubling. In his distress, Jonah sees himself for who and what he really is and he cannot escape the reality of his own inadequacies and rebellion. He is a coward and a bigot and he is dying. The truth hurts. Have you ever been so confronted by raw truth that it shook everything in your world and disturbed every self-concept you ever held dear? 

R – Restricted – The word, “distress” comes from a Latin word that means, “hindered” as a person in a strait jacket. He is out of options, out of ideas, and out of time. Verse 5 says that the deep surrounded him. 

E – Ebbing – Life was ebbing away from Jonah. It is a terrible feeling to lose one’s strength, vitality, and fight. He is dying slowly. One day you wake up in the waves and you there is nothing you can do about your condition. You are fading and it is a distressing feeling. 

S – Surrounded – That is the word Jonah uses in verse 5. What is surrounding you? What is it that presents itself in every direction you look? 

S – Sinking – Nothing was getting better. Everything was getting worse. That was Jonah’s condition of distress. 

Look at some of the other descriptive words that Jonah uses to describe his distress: 

Hurled – There is a note of violence as he is not gently placed in the sea. He sees God hurling him. 

Swirled – The currents were swirling around him. He had no power. 

Swept Over – This is neither comforting nor comfortable. It is a bad situation. 

Banished from Your sight – Even God, it would seem, could not see him. But there is a glimmer of hope here … “yet I will look again toward your holy temple.” Perhaps that is when he perceived that he called out to God. 

Engulfed … Threatened … Surrounded … seaweed wrapped around his head … He was not pretty sight. 

Again, let us see verse 6: 

6 To the roots of the mountains I sank down;
       the earth beneath barred me in forever.
       But you brought my life up from the pit,
       O LORD my God.

 

When you go as far down as you can, and God sends something along, a fish or a line, or a person … anything … you see it as a sign of hope. In that fish, Jonah realized that God had brought him up.

 

So, he bided his time and considered the possibility of return. He prepared his own heart and attitude to run in the direction of God with as much fervor as he had run away in chapter 1.

II. The next step came at the point of DEATH.

 

Jonah was in the doorway of death when God intervened. Hear again his description of his condition:

 

7 "When my life was ebbing away,
       I remembered you, LORD,
       and my prayer rose to you,
       to your holy temple.

 

In his depleted condition, Jonah can do nothing about his circumstances except let the fish swallow him. I am not even sure he could have resisted that, but he could have chosen whether or not to pray.

 

By choosing to pray, Jonah acknowledged his helpless condition and the death that loomed over him.

 

Jesus and Paul both called this dying to self and coming alive to Christ.

 

It was as his life was ebbing away that Jonah found something to cling to. For Jonah, the whole idea of death turned inside out.

 

D – Depletion – You cannot die as long as you hold out an illusion of your own self-sufficiency in your own strength to save your own life. We don’t even have enough faith. We depend on God for even that.

 

E – Effort – None will help even if you could exert it. You are at the end of everything.

 

A – Attention – Suddenly you remember something – GOD! Jonah said, “I remembered You!” How long have you actually gone without even a thought of God? It is a mini-conversion to think of Him again.

 

T – Talk – Now you start talking, but not to yourself or others, but to God himself. That is what prayer is. That is what Mother Teresa never stopped doing even as she experienced all of these Jonah moments and more – and she had not even run away from  Nineveh.

 

H – Hope – One thing Jonah did seem to understand in the depths of his heart was that God really did hear him. That brought him hope. He also remembered the temple, the reminder of God dwelling with men upon earth. Somewhere between God’s call to Jonah to go to  Nineveh.and his escape to Joppa his flight to Tarshish lay the one place on earth where Jonah knew he could find God. Yet, this same God had found him in the midst of the sea… And he can find you there too… at the point of death.

 

III. Finally, Jonah returns with determination to his DUTY. He runs to God and to his calling. It is not that he suddenly likes what it is that God wants him to do, but he realizes that he loves God and likes living.

 

“The proof of the pudding is in the eating.”

 

And the proof of real faith is saying “yes” to God. 

 

The word “duty” is not all that common in the Bible. It is used of responsibility to family, to pay taxes, secular duties, and often, in the Old Testament with regard to Temple service. What Jonah was running from was his duty to perform that for which he had been created and called. He owed God his service to go where he was sent and preach what he was told to preach.
 

Jonah continued praying: 

 

8 "Those who cling to worthless idols
       forfeit the grace that could be theirs.

 

9 But I, with a song of thanksgiving,
       will sacrifice to you.
       What I have vowed I will make good.
       Salvation comes from the LORD."

 

DUTY meant, for Jonah four things:

 

D – Despise – He had to go to a people he despised, swallow his pride, get over his hatred and bigotry, and put his own opinions aside to do God’s will. Sometimes you have to go to places you dislike among people you dislike to do something you dislike doing because you just haven’t learned to love it yet and God has called you anyway. In those cases, suck it up and do it. Jonah had to go to the very people who clung to worthless idols and forfeited grace that could be theirs. Yet, in this process of having to return to God, he had come dangerously close to becoming one of those people who put personal preference and opinion ahead of God.

 

U – Useful – The essence of duty is sacrifice and the essence of sacrifice is making ourselves useful to God. The sacrifice God desired most from Jonah and desires most from us was and is obedience. We were made to be used by Him in marvelous ways, but we must present ourselves before Him for that purpose.

 

T – Thankfulness – Jonah finds what we need: an attitude of gratitude. He does not desire for us to come and do our duty to Him with a begrudging attitude or a hateful spirit. He desires cheerful givers of themselves, their time, and their resources.

 

Y – YES!!!! – This is the bottom line of our duty to God, saying “yes” to Him and truly meaning it.

 

Yes, Lord, Yes, to Thy will and to Thy way.

Yes, Lord, Yes. I will trust You and obey.

When Your Spirit speaks to me, with my whole heart I’ll agree,

And my answer will be Yes, Lord, Yes!

- Shirley Ceasar

 

10 And the LORD commanded the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land.

 

It is not the most elegant conclusion to a Sunday morning sermon, nor is it the conclusion of the story, but it does point to a reality:

 

Before we can move on, we have to get out of the hole we are in and before we can get out of the hole, we need to prayerfully run in the direction of God. What follows is a man running alongside God and seeing amazing results.


Other Thoughts on Mother Teresa's Faith Struggle

Henry Neufeld is always on target and in this particular Thread from Henry's Web, he makes personal application and offers a first hand understanding of how real believers struggle with the darkness of doubt. I thoroughly agree with his statement:

"I suspect the faith that is without any doubts of being shallow. Trust and endurance are separate things. Faith, however, is not so absolute as some would like to make it."

I was further encouraged with what I read here:

Songwriter, singer, pianist, actor, and protoblogger Steve Schalchlin responds to the recent news about Mother Teresa's prayer correspondence - actually her deepest, most personal prayers to a God she ultimately and effectively trusted with her life - and shared with her spiritual advisers.

Steve makes the assertion at the end of his excellent reflection, Living In The Bonus Round: The Doubting Faith of Mother Teresa:

"Faith is not belief. Faith is what you have when belief is out of reach."


Mother Teresa and Faith Struggles

From Patricia O. , Message #1636.1 The Religion Forum - Mother Teresa Lost Faith?   

According to a new book by CBS correspondent Mark Phillips, based on a compilation of letters she wrote, Mother Teresa lost her faith early in her work in Calcutta, and never really regained it.

"Where is my faith?" she wrote. "Even deep down… there is nothing but emptiness and darkness... If there be God — please forgive me."

The priest who is pushing for her beatification says that these letters make her work even more impressive.    I'm not sure I agree.

CBS NEWS LINK HERE

Join the discussion at the Religion Forum. Here is my response:

Thanks for addressing this, Patricia.

I have been reading the TIME article and some of the quotes. I need to read the whole book to be fair. However,  I am not getting the impression that Mother Teresa lost her faith, but that she struggled with profound issues of faith.

Compassion is a word that comes to my mind when I think of her. Compassion means "to suffer with." I think this is part of the burden of compassion she took upon herself.

There are also symptoms of classic burnout and depression.

All humans are vulnerable to these conditions - even Christians and especially Christians who immerse themselves in the plight of the poor and pour out their own lives for others. If people in helping professions are among the most susceptible, how much more so one who embodies Christ in the heart of the most blatant pockets of poverty in the world and becomes as poor among the poor.

Teresa bared her soul to these confessors. it was raw and honest and God-directed. These were not just her conversations with friends and counselors, but with God Himself. When she had dount, she did what might have seemed counterintuitive and contradictory. She took them to the One she doubted with intimate honesty and brutal self examination.

Then she continued to act in and live by faith.

Spirituality is paradoxical and Christianity teaches a dual nature within believers in Romans 7.

Then, there was the man who came to Jesus and said, "I believe, help thou my unbelief."

Esther took on a mission, rallied her friends to fast for her and yet declared, "If i perish, I perish."

Jesus said, "My God,my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

This glimpse into the personal, deep, spiritual struggle within Mother Teresa makes me love and appreciate her more because she moved beyond the superficial religiosity of one who never asks and struggles with hard questions. She not only wrestled with the doubts and questions, but like Jacob, she wrestled with God himself.

For her, it always came back to an embrace of her calling and devotion to God.

I don't think she lost faith; I think she took it deeper.

Good question.

- Tom
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More Dreamers

Another  example of dreamers and doers has surfaced in Fresno of all places.

Fresno Famous
chronicles the success of  Ann McAtee and Ferry Santoso in "Teaze Me, Pleaze Me." They opened Teazer World Te Market in Fresno's Tower District three years ago and are already expanding.

Famous Whitewater wrote the story of their journey.

I love this quote:

" ... people can find 100 reasons why you’ll fail. And that, McAtee doesn’t have time for."

We can always find reasons for failure and thus, for not making any attempts to try. I appreciate the inspiration of this and other reports and the reality that there are two more people out there who are  investing their time in doing whatever it takes.

The road to success is paved with the cobblestones of failure but it is not called the road to failure. Failures are just what we walk over on the path to our own dreamlands.

The next time I am in the Tower, I think I'll have  spot of tea.

- Tom
You Can Do It!
The Dream Factory


Lessons from Kaibian

Being a grandpa seems qualitatively different from my experience of fatherhood. Part of that may be that, as an adoptive parent, I entered into my sons' lives a little later. Now that we have had the opportunity to help raise a baby, now tottler, we are experiencing so many new things. At fifty two and then some, I am a young man again observing life, learning, and love-bonding at new and wonderful levels.

I am learning things about God and how He relates to us from Kaibian who I often call, "Kaibo."

For instance, this morning, Kaibo and I were outside. Our home is like a giant Montessori school because most everything is allowed and explorable that is not dangerous or destructive. Water and dirt and bugs are all inside the bounds of propriety and exploration. It is a wonderful world and it needs to be discovered by inquisitive 19 month old whose primary language of worship includes the words "oooh," and "ahhhh."

During our walk, with me following, we discovered a friendly kitten, numerous insects,mounds of loose dirt waiting to be distributed, puddles of water, and a tree big enough to give shade and young enough to be swayed by my relatively strong hand.

I swayed the tree to get Kaibo's attention and he hurried over to imitate my actions. He pushed from below, focusing on the tree. Out of his view, I pushed in response to his actions and the tree swayed every time he acted.

It reminded me of faith.

I did not push the tree until he did. He did not have the strength to push the tree on his own and I did not have the resolve to push it until he did. I had the strength. He supplied belief, curiosity, and wonder.  He acted in faith and his faith triggered my response. In the process, he learned about cause and effect and I learned something at least tentative about God.

God chooses to teach us to pray and act in faith by exercising His strength in response to our prayers and faith acts. That nurtures in us a sense of wonder, trust, and personal responsibility for our choices, actions, and beliefs.

God chooses to work in us, with us, and through us and supply what is ;lacking in our strength and power. If we were to sit down and assess every aspect of our own ability to affect change and build our dreams, we would come to the conclusion that none of it was worth the bother because all of it was impossible.

That is not the case living in the dimension of faith and Spirit. God has a difference economy and God supplies where we are weak, but willing.

Kaibo helped me remember that this morning.

The Dream Factory
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Fight, Flight, or Flow? - Jonah 1

           

                       Notes on Jonah 1 - Running From God

There are four keys words and three key principles. I will explore: Flee, Storm, Sleep, and Fish.

The three principles are that you can choose, lose, or cruise.

First, God called Jonah and Jonah fled from God. At least he attempted to FLEE. God never leaves us without choices. we can choose fight, flight, or flow with His purposes. Fight becomes less and less of an option the more we know God. Flow requires surrender of our will to His. too often, we choose to FLEE.

The principle here is YOU CAN CHOOSE.

    F - FROM God. It is always away from Him.
          You can't resist His will and enjoy the same fellowship as ever.
    L - LUNACY - It is an absurd idea that we can run from Him.
            The psalmist said that even in Sheol, He was there.
    E - EFFECT on others.   
           As Jonah endangered others, so do we when we disobey.
    E - EVIDENT - You can't really hide it. It all hangs out.

There is another spelling possible that helps us understand some of what causes us to have a flight impulse and run from God:

    F - FEAR - We fear what we don't know and what we do know.
    L - LISTENING to the wrong voice within/
    E - EGO that has gotten out-of-control.
    E - EFFORT - We just don't want to give it.

Fight, flight, or flow, YOU CAN CHOOSE.

Second, when Jonah fled, God sent a STORM. God wasn't being vindictive. He was being insistent and persistent. The principle of YOU CAN CHOOSE must be understood in conjunction with a second principle: YOU COULD LOSE! But you still have choices. God uses storms sometimes to influence our choices. They may come in various ways:

    S - SINKING SAILOR SYNDROME - You could go down.
    T - TEMPESTS - Sometimes rocking on the waves gets attention.
    O - OUTCRY - Sometimes others notice first and cry out to you.
    R - REBUKE - Sometimes those same people come to you and speak truth.
    M - MAYBE God will help attitudes around you.

Jonah ignored the storm and went below to sleep. He was oblivious. Unlike Jesus' sleep of perfect peace through the storm, Jonah's was the sleep of denial. look at it. How do we resist the voice of God in storms? The text tells us:

    S - SLUMBER - It was real, literal retreat into unconsciousness.
    L - LYING to self and others.
    E - ESCAPE from reality, but it is not possible.
    E - EJECTION becomes the only option.
    P - PEACE comes only through surrender.

Note that Jonah, with the option to CHOOSE, would rather LOSE than go to Nineveh.

Third, we see a FISH. the fish is a reminder that while we can always CHOOSE and we may LOSE, we can also CRUISE with the flow of God's purpose and will. You can choose to cruise.

Jonah had resisted profoundly and he was in for a grace cruise. Having been ejected from the ship by his own choice and the reluctant consent of the crew who, by the way, became his first unwitting converts, he is flailing in the water. Then god prepares a FISH:

    F - FIRST time we have ever seen it happen - and the last.
            Besides that, Jonah has just had his first converts - the crewmen.
    I - IN the water and going down. Jonah was hopeless.
    S - SOVEREIGN God decides to give him another chance.
    H - HEAVENLY intervention rescues John for a time of refocus.

  1. What is your FISH? You can cruise in it for a while by grace, but even it will bring you back to the point of choice. will you choose fight, flight, or flow?

Toastmasters at Kaiser

We just completed a summer project at Kaiser with their youth internship program. Each Friday, the youth who were assigned to mentors in various departments of the health care system, experienced education day as a way of exposing them to the broad range of services and careers in health care. As part of that day, Federal Toastmasters was invited to facilitate a Toastmaster's meeting for the young people.

It was a wonderful experience.

Watching these outstanding youths grow in confidence and ability to formulate ideas, lead meetings, and speak in public was a real inspiration.

At the helm of this program was an outstanding and enthusiastic woman named Gretchen Fritz. She invested time, energy, and love into each of her students with a flair for innovation and a commitment to their development. I would recomend her for any local coaching hall of fame.

Unfortunately for Fresno, she is being transferred to a new location with greater responsibilities. She will do well.

Some lessons I learned this summer were:

1. There are pockets of innovation and creativity in places where you may not expect to find them.

2. Everyone brings something to the table of human experience. Even and especially the young among us have much wealth of experience and insight to contribute.

3. Everyone can learn to communicate better. Not everyone will be a professional public speaker, but  each person can learn to be a competent communicator

4. That a new generation of leadership is training itself at an accelerated pace and that they bring competencies and skills that are much greater than those of my generation at the same stage of life.


Leadership Summit Thoughts

Thoughts from the Leadership Summit, 2007

Here are a few thoughts from some of the speakers.

Carly Fiorina:

"Everyone is afraid of something. Every time you overcome, you are stronger."

"Leadership is about unlocking potential in others."

"Every time someone took a chance on me, it motivated me."

"There is a gift in everything if we will see it."

"Innovation means taking risks."

- Carly Fiorina at the Willow Creek Leadership Summit, 2007 (in an interview with Bill Hybels)

Floyd Flake:

" ... moving people beyond their self-serving motives." (When describing one of the goals of leadership)

"You don't need a unanimous vote, but you need a majority support."

- Floyd Flake at the Willow Creek Leadership Summit, 2007

Marcus Buckingham:

"Build on strengths and manage around weaknesses."

"You cannot understand excellence by studying bad examples." (paraphrased)

"What percentage of a typical day do you spend playing to your strengths?"

Marcus Buckingham at the Willow Creek Leadership Summit, 2007

John Ortberg:

Ortberg told this joke:

Man to wife:  When I think about facing (any challenge), my palms get sweaty.

A little while later, same man to wife: When I think about (same challenge), my mouth gets dry.

Wife:  Why don't you just lick your palms?

He spoke about a leader's greatest fear. "The greatest fear is not what can happen to us, but what can happen in us."

From Esther, he  drew out this question: "Why have you been brought to this place in your life?"

he noted several examples, from Esther of the difference between one's mission and one's shadow mission which is just a click or two off of the real mission, but keeps us from fulfilling it.

John Ortberg at the Willow Creek Leadership Summit, 2007


You Have Today

You have today to do, to be, to experience, and to share whatever it is that burns within you heart to do, be, experience, and share.

You have today, and while it may not be enough for you, it is what you have for as long as it lasts.

You have already begun today as you read these words. You have stepped into the stream of life in the division of time that we name as individual days and you have begun to participate in this one day that is absolutely unique, It has never been before and never will be again.

You have it and, if you are like me, you have already wasted part of it.

You will probably waste a bit more, but just thinking about how precious the day really is, you have also already begun to consider how you will make the best of it. You are plotting a course for  what you will accomplish and how you will enrich other people because, having considered the remote possibility that this is your only day, you want it to be significant.

You have today - at least part of it because you are already in it. If it should be cut short, you will have lived this day. If you make it to the end, you will have tomorrow. Within one short second of completing a day, we have another.

This is not rocket science. Nor is it breaking news, but it is very, very important.

You see, days tend to slip away and as they slip, they fall into an abyss of neglect and despair. We look back and wonder where they went and wish that we could recapture them and redeem all of our lost opportunities.

We cannot - except in the sense that what we accomplish today can bring meaning to yesterday. We can slowly transform what is lost into something of meaning and hope. It has some of the benefits of time travel without all the messy risk.

TODAY is:

T - Temporal, temporary, and tempestuous. It is fleeting, but it is also unpredictable and partially unknown. All we know for sure is that it will end and that it will move in some way toward our intentions while having a mind of its own and a tendency  to surprise us.

O - Our Opportunity to do something about our lives, enrich the lives of others, reinterpret the past, and reinvent the future. It is one of a kind and it is pregnant with possibilities.

D - Definite. We definitely have today, right now to do something. Perhaps this is an incentive to avoid procrastination of that thing that is burning in our hearts. Make the D into a DO and DO the thing that you know you Desire and need to do, that thing that relates to your Dream, that which your fear has prevented until right now.

A - About Attitude. I use the word "attitude" repeatedly in my acronyms, not because I can't think of any other A words, but because it is so crucial to everything about today, tomorrow, and the future. It determines our course; it drives our dreams; it infects our motives; it orients our thinking; it makes us or breaks us. We must see TODAY with an attitude of joy, wonder, optimism, and responsibility as we embrace its power for good.

Y - YOURS! It is yours. What will you do with it?

May your today be wonderful and may you have many, many tomorrows. You do have today.

- Tom Sims
The Dream Factory


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No Slack in Daily Work

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Cravings or Desires

Not in Vain

First Things First and Cute Kids

Social Networks - Are they a FAD?

IVA - A Sweet and Real Lady

How To Make Someone's D-A-Y Part Two - Spell It!

How to Make Someone's Day!

Spelling M-O-N-E-Y Biblically

Money - Troubles or Treasures

What Counts?

Taming the The Rhinoceros

Entrepreneurial Education

Should You Consider Network Marketing?

Learning Curves Are for Exercise

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Working Pastors

Lyn Perry and Thought Renewal

The Real Secret

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God, the Entrepreneur

New Friends

Free Lunches and Networking

Notes and Ideas

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People Meeting People

Setting the Table

What Are You Selling?

Christians and Wealth

The Tabled Table

More From Starbucks

My Dad, the Salesman

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Time

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Don't Give Up ... Today

At this very moment, out of the 1470 people receiving this bulletin, someone is considering quitting.

It is not their job that they are tempted to walk out on, or necessarily their marriage, or anything that anyone will immediately notice. It is something far more important ... their dreams.

Someone is about to give up on their dreams and it will show gradually and in very subtle ways.

They are discouraged and hopeless and the rewards just are not coming from their efforts.

I have one word for you, dear friend, and it is not necessarily brilliant. There will be tomorrow. You will have countless opportunities to quit. Quitting will always be an option for you unless and until you come to the place of deciding that it is not. Here is the word: WAIT.

I am just saying, wait. Don't quit today. Give it another day and get back with me. You have no idea what inspiration, burst of energy, word of encouragement, seed of an idea,  or Word from God is right around the corner for you.

You just don't know. You still have some strength; use it to get through the day. you still have some faith; apply it. You still have time; you don't have to quit today.

Down time is OK. in fact, it is sometimes necessary. Down time is waiting time - time to "not quit."

There is always tomorrow to throw away your hopes, dreams, ideas, and the investments you have already made. You don't have to quit today.

Wait.

I know you can do that. While you are waiting to regain your belief in yourself, use a little of mine in you.

Blessings,

- Tom
The Dream Factory


Quotes on "I Can!"

We can do anything we want if we stick to it long enough. Helen Keller

If you can dream it, you can do it. Always remember that this whole thing
was started with a dream and a mouse.
Walt Disney

Whatever you can do or dream, you can begin it.
Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. Begin now!
Goethe

Humanity cannot forget its dreamers. It cannot let their ideas fade and
die. It lives in them. It knows them as the realities which it shall one
day see and know. Composers, sculptors, painters, poets, prophets and sages these are the makers of tomorrow. These are the architects of heaven.
John Donne

Commit yourself to a dream. Nobody who tries to do something great but fails is a total failure. Why? Because he can always rest assured that he
succeeded in life's most important battle; he defeated his fear of trying.
Dr. Robert Schuller

The Dream Factory


The Humor Thread So Far

Christian Fellowship Forum

The Fellowship Hall: Thread #117209


What is the role of humor in your lif...


1 Jul-31   From: WizopTom Sims  To: All
 
  Q: What is the role of humor in your life as a Christian?
 
2 Jul-31   From: WizopTom Sims  To: All
 
  OK you silly bone souls!

It is summer and as long as you have your shoes off, we might as well tickle each others' feet.

Who cares if I spell "such" and "siuch." Flow with the new word.

What tickles your funny bone?

Have at it.

A merry heart does good like medicine.
 
3 Jul-31   From: dippitydodiane  To: WizopTom Sims
 
  I like the new poll! :)
 
4 Aug-1   From: Deb  To: WizopTom Sims
 
 

<OK you silly bone souls!

It is summer and as long as you have your shoes off, we might as well tickle each others' feet.

Who cares if I spell "such" and "siuch." Flow with the new word.

What tickles your funny bone?

Have at it.

A merry heart does good like medicine.>

LOL~~Your little post here was enough to tickle my funny bone! That's why I love this place.

I especially get a kick out of posts that are meant to be serious, but come across funny for some reason (maybe a typing or spelling error that changes the meaning of the sentence). Father Jim did a cute one once that really cracked me up. I don't think I'll remention it unless he wants me to.

 
5 Aug-1   From: Brenda  To: dippitydodiane
 
 

I think a good question would be, in what Orthodox Church do you see more laughing?

Brenda

 
6 Aug-1   From: Brenda  To: WizopTom Sims
 
 

I can truly see Jesus laughing when I think of the little children gathering around him.

Children will laugh at little things or nothing at all. Maybe that is why some people will say: “He is in his second childhood.“ I see the laughing in the very young and the very old.

Now, if you are just a middle age person and laugh a lot they might say your crazy. If you don’t laugh enough the doctor will say you are depressed and give you a pill. There is no pills for crazy so, that is what I would choose.

I could always imagine Jesus laughing but not his mother.

An example would be when he was lost and they found Him preaching in the temple.

You just know Mary wasn’t laughing but worried.

Or when Jesus would put the animals in the barn and leave the barn door opened. Can’t you just hear Mary saying: “Shut the door!“ “Were you born in a barn?“

Jesus enjoyed relaxing at dinner time on the floor -- adults don’t do that anymore.

He enjoyed having His feet tickled more than worrying about cleaning the house or cooking dinner.

I mean Tom, when you sing “I Got the Joy, Joy, Joy down in my heart…..“ Do you think we aren’t laughing in the Spirit?

Brenda

 
7 Aug-1   From: Brenda  To: Deb
 
 

I have been to a lot of churches and I can truly say the Pentecostal churches laugh the most.

Wonder which church cries the loudest? Again, I would have to say the Pentecostal. They don’t just dab their eyes with a hanky, (like the Baptist). They just start crying really loud with snot and their makeup all running down their face and can still manage to roll around on the floor and laugh. Lol

The woman that came to Jesus with the problem of blood must have been a Pentecostal. I mean those people could have killed her for being out of the tent in that sickened condition. She just started pushing through the crowd, crawling around to get to Jesus. She had to be a roller.

Some church people just wait around for that once a year revival to act the way the Pentecostals act in each service. Lol

Wouldn’t it be great if we just stopped waiting for Sunday (or in some churches Saturday) until that Spirit of love and laughter visited us? I need at least a daily visit. VBS

Don’t people know that when you get to heaven there isn’t going to be any Baptist, Pentecostal, Catholic or any other of them there “Orthodoxy” religions? There just gona be Christ and them?

Brenda

 
8 Aug-1   From: Richard W.  To: Brenda
 
  Brenda,

<<< I think a good question would be, in what Orthodox Church do you see more laughing?

Probably the Russian Orthodox Church.

Richard W.
(I play a pretty good straight man when I want to.)

 
9 Aug-1   From: Deb  To: Brenda
 
 

<I have been to a lot of churches and I can truly say the Pentecostal churches laugh the most. >

Baptists do too, just not during the service. :-)

<Wonder which church cries the loudest? Again, I would have to say the Pentecostal. They don’t just dab their eyes with a hanky, (like the Baptist). They just start crying really loud with snot and their makeup all running down their face and can still manage to roll around on the floor and laugh. Lol >

Oh, you brat! ;-)

<The woman that came to Jesus with the problem of blood must have been a Pentecostal. I mean those people could have killed her for being out of the tent in that sickened condition. She just started pushing through the crowd, crawling around to get to Jesus. She had to be a roller. >

Whatever it takes.

<Some church people just wait around for that once a year revival to act the way the Pentecostals act in each service. Lol >

I think you hit the nail on the head

<Wouldn’t it be great if we just stopped waiting for Sunday (or in some churches Saturday) until that Spirit of love and laughter visited us? I need at least a daily visit. VBS>

Yes, you did hit the nail on the head. Speaking of VBS, ours is coming right up--gotta get studying.

<Don’t people know that when you get to heaven there isn’t going to be any Baptist, Pentecostal, Catholic or any other of them there “Orthodoxy” religions? There just gonna be Christ and them? >

Yes, no matter which style, we'll be worshipping in spirit and in truth

 
10 Aug-1   From: dotcira  To: WizopTom Sims
 
 

To All:

Laughter is a gift from God and truly lightens things up and lifts the spirit!

Every Wednesday, straight from morning Mass, a group of about six of us go out for breakfast together at a local restaurant.

I think the group of us laugh the loudest there! Even the waitresses enjoy waiting on us and taking part in the fun. We are all senior citizens and joke about the aging process and all our foibles. We can be pretty serious about our conversations as well, sharing about our various ministries and activities, but it is always interjected with something funny.

I can't imagine what this world would be like without the gift of humor. Thank you Lord!

Peace,

Dot

 
11 Aug-1   From: Cheryl S/L-Reading & Listening Room  To: WizopTom Sims
 
 

Hi, Tom--

I'm the only one, so far, who voted for the last one. Remember the movie "Mary Poppins"? When I was a kid, I loved that movie and we had the soundtrack. I LOVED the song "I Love to Laugh" (along with "Supercalfragliciousexpealadochous" <spelling?>). There is (almost) nothing more satisfying to me than having a great big ol' belly laugh. Two friends, whom I have retained since we were 12 -13 years of age, both have great senses of humor and are "performers" -- I'm a great audience if someone is actually funny <s>.

The best times I can remember with my family are the ones where we laughed so much we almost could not breathe! We still can get to that point, even now. My dad's sense of humor carried us all through his trips to the hospital over the last decade or so. It really can be a life-saver in tense situations. My mom and brother are like a comedy team. Sometimes my mom will give an outragous opinion and I suspect she's trying to get my brother to respond to her comment in his absurd and dry way. It reminds me of another duo on this forum ;-)

I still can find something so funny that I laugh at myself laughing so much. I had a recent dream where I was talking to someone in the dream, cracked up about the conversation and woke myself up by laughing -- that was a first!

Whether it's a Christian issue it depends on what someone laughts at, I suppose. I regret that I've laughed at something that was said at the expense of someone else -- it may have been funny, but was not kind and I want to avoid that.

peace,

Cheryl

 
12 Aug-1   From: Janet  To: Cheryl S/L-Reading & Listening Room
 
  >>Sometimes my mom will give an outragous opinion and I suspect she's trying to get my brother to respond to her comment in his absurd and dry way. It reminds me of another duo on this forum<<

Do tell.

Janet
 
13 Aug-1   From: Harold  To: WizopTom Sims
 
 

Who in the world would consider himself 'humorless'?
Life is way to short to be like that. If I took everything seriously,
I probably wouldn't be here, now. Thinking back over twenty years of the
USN, I have to really try hard to find something serious. Mostly it was a
blast. So is this forum. Oh, there are moments. Like the boss mis
spelling a word or two.

Harold

 
14 Aug-1   From: Found Said  To: Harold
 
 

<<Who in the world would consider himself 'humorless'?>>

mmmm, guessing tommy.

<< Mostly it was a blast. So is this forum.>>

Dem bones dem bones dem dryyyyyyyy bones.

 

 
15 Aug-1   From: Richard W.  To: Found Said
 
  FS,

<<< mmmm, guessing tommy.

That was ... me.

Somebody has to play the straight man part! I figured it was my turn to do that. <g>


Richard W.
 
16 Aug-1   From: Harold  To: Found Said
 
 

>> guessing tommy. <<"

Nah. He is 'tongue in cheek' type. I see through his humor.
Someone else?

Harold

 
17 Aug-1   From: Cheryl S/L-Reading & Listening Room  To: Janet
 
 

> Do tell. <

Clue: Burns and Allen
 
18 Aug-1   From: Janet  To: Cheryl S/L-Reading & Listening Room
 
  >Clue: Burns and Allen<<

Say outrageous things to provoke a response? Moi?!?

Janet
 
19 Aug-1   From: Found Said  To: Richard W.
 
 

<<That was ... me.>>

That's a relief. <s>

<<Somebody has to play the straight man part! I figured it was my turn to do that. <g>>>

Cheers! <g>

 
20 Aug-1   From: Cheryl S/L-Reading & Listening Room  To: Janet
 
 

C >>Clue: Burns and Allen<<

J >Say outrageous things to provoke a response? Moi?!? <

Actually, it's the other way around -- although I don't think your partner in humor means to provoke a humorous reply from you but that's what happens most times after she posts.

Btw, where are you Judith? We miss you! <S>

peace,

Cheryl

 
21 Aug-1   From: Found Said  To: Harold
 
 

<<I see through his humor.>>

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

<<Someone else?>>

nope, richard fessed up!

 
22 Aug-1   From: Janet  To: Cheryl S/L-Reading & Listening Room
 
  >>Actually, it's the other way around -- although I don't think your partner in humor means to provoke a humorous reply from you but that's what happens most times after she posts<<

Ah. If I hadn't been having a sugar low, I'd have caught that.

Janet
P.S. I miss her too!

 
23 Aug-1   From: Harold  To: Found Said
 
 

>>nope, richard fessed up!<<

Richard????? Not our Richard W.??? I would have guess you before
him.

Harold.

 
24 Aug-1   From: lrschrs  To: WizopTom Sims
 
 

I think the resoration of an ordinate sense of humor is a mark of the Christian.

One can sometimes 'feel' the health of a church by walking into a social event and just tuning the ear to the nature of the 'laughter'. Either none, a dull dead somber coldness, or a shrill phoney 'worldly like' false front heard is often a sign of a spiritual problem in the group. But a good sense of delight in each other, God, and our world is quite often a good first indicator of both the orthodoxy and health of a congragation. Of course cultures and church styles vary, but I find this is often the case.

C.S. Lewis wrote of this experience when he quipped that when they were at the pub and having a good old time laughing and all people would think 'we were talking bawd' when in fact they were delighting in a theological issue!

But a lot of the problem is that the world will use laughter to escape from relaity rather than to engage it. Prov. 29:9.

To me most of what passes for 'comedy' today simply is not at all funny, it has no sense of the incongruity that makes for real hymor, no sense of the ironic, it is just one verbal assault after another, one cheap shot after another. A little kid, or a preacher, coming out once with a potty mouth word in an utterly unexpected way can be very funny, repeating them over and over is just crass.

The real help a sense of humor gives us is when it teaches us never to be serious about ourselves, for we know full we;; we are going to fall flat on our noses at times, and you have to laugh or cry then. Today people cry and whine about themselves too much, and so they can't have any left over seriousness for that which should be taken with all seriousness.

 
25 Aug-1   From: raven  To: Brenda
 
 

the Pentecostal. They don’t just dab their eyes with a hanky, (like the Baptist). They just start crying really loud with snot and their makeup all running down their face and can still manage to roll around on the floor and laugh.

One thing you can probably say about their pews then is "PHEW".

 Stephen

 
26 Aug-2   From: WizopTom Sims  To: Deb
 
  >>I especially get a kick out of posts that are meant to be serious, but come across funny for some reason <<

Serious things are the best sources of humor.

I get a good laugh our of it when I catch myself taking myself too seriously.
 
27 Aug-2   From: WizopTom Sims  To: dippitydodiane
 
  >> I like the new poll.<<

With what shall we decorate it then?

Stripes?
 
28 Aug-2   From: WizopTom Sims  To: Brenda
 
  Orthodox? Funny?

Jump in here those who you to whom the stereotype applies.
 
29 Aug-2   From: WizopTom Sims  To: Brenda
 
  Yes - laughing to "joy, joy, joy." That's me.

Jesus had to laugh with the kids because they were most likely tickling his ribs, pulling his beard, and drooling all over him ... AND HE LIKED IT!

When he spoke of the camel going through the eye of the needle, he was using subtle humor to make a point.

I can easily see Jesus laughing ... certainly with the tax collectors and sinners ... certainly with the disciples.

And the God who made cute animals and cuter babies is a chuckling Sovereign who invites us into His presence of Joy.
 
30 Aug-2   From: WizopTom Sims  To: dotcira
 
  I have had some of my best laughs with groups of silly seniors.

SMILES!
 
31 Aug-2   From: WizopTom Sims  To: Cheryl S/L-Reading & Listening Room
 
  Laughing dreams!

That is a good sign!!!!
 
32 Aug-2   From: WizopTom Sims  To: Harold
 
  >>Like the boss mis
spelling a word or two.<<

Now that can really be funniey <s>.
 
33 Aug-2   From: WizopTom Sims  To: lrschrs
 
  >>A little kid, or a preacher, coming out once with a potty mouth word in an utterly unexpected way can be very funny, repeating them over and over is just crass.<<

Good disctinction.
 
34 Aug-2   From: Harold  To: WizopTom Sims
 
 

>>A little kid, or a preacher, coming out once with a potty mouth
word in an utterly unexpected way can be very funny, repeating
them over and over is just crass.<<

I must disagree with that one. Any kid or preacher of mine would
not ever have a second chance at that. Not in my church. That sort
of language only shows a lot of ignorance on the part of the one
who taught the words. The industry calls it "Adult language."
I disagree with that, too. More like "Gutter language". I don't
know very many adults that talk like that. Even with twenty years
in the Navy.
Our preacher once was telling a story of someone like that, and
mentioned that the guy cussed like a sailor. I stood up, in
church, and made him retract that. He did.

Harold.

 
35 Aug-2   From: Found Said  To: Harold
 
 

<< I would have guess you before him.>>

Heavens know. I voted for laughter is a celebration of Christ's life in me.

 

 
36 Aug-2   From: Found Said  To: lrschrs
 
 

<<But a good sense of delight in each other, God, and our world is quite often a good first indicator of both the orthodoxy and health of a congragation.>>

Amen! Good post!

 
37 Aug-2   From: Harold  To: Found Said
 
 

>>Heavens know. I voted for laughter is a celebration of
Christ's life in me.>>

I am glad. I thought over my answer and thought it might sound
a little strong. I surely didn't mean that you don't have a
sense of humor. Every one really needs one. God sure does have
that sense of humor. Look around.

Harold.

 
38 Aug-2   From: Janet  To: WizopTom Sims
 
  >>Serious things are the best sources of humor.<<

Comedy is the handmaiden of drama.

Janet
 
39 Aug-2   From: WizopTom Sims  To: Harold
 
  >>I must disagree with that one.<<

I think I was actually back quoting someone else and the part I agreed with was that it becomes crass.

- Tom
 
40 Aug-2   From: Deb  To: WizopTom Sims
 
 

>>I especially get a kick out of posts that are meant to be serious, but come across funny for some reason <<

<Serious things are the best sources of humor.

I get a good laugh our of it when I catch myself taking myself too seriously.>

Yes. I don't take myself too seriously that often.

The worst time to get the sillies is at a funeral. But it's happened to me in church.The pastors were not always amused. :-?

 
41 Aug-2   From: Martin Y  To: WizopTom Sims
 
  Tom

I do hate these quizzes where none of the answers fits!! <G>

I think that anyone who can conjure up the vision of a guy with a dirty great lump of wood sticking out of his eye offering to get a tiny splinter out of his neighbour's eye must have a great sense of humour. So Christ had a sense humour and I think we can assume that the other two persons did as well. So I imagine that it is perfectly in order for us to find things funny <whisper>and even have humour occasionally in a sermon to make a point </whisper>

Martin
 
42 Aug-2   From: dippitydodiane  To: Brenda
 
 

>>>>I think a good question would be, in what Orthodox Church do you see more laughing?

I've only been in Protestant & Full Gospel churches, and I've found the humor level satisfactory. Some room for improvement though.

Here's something amusing, interesting that I saw recently in the phone book:

The different classifications of "Baptist"

ABA Baptist
Full Gospel "
General "
Independent "
Missionary "
Reformed "
Southern "

What are they independent of?
What are they reformed of?
Are there "Northern" Baptists?
1/2 Gospel?
1/4 Gospel?
Specific Baptist?

I even found a "Primitive Baptist Church"

??

 
43 Aug-2   From: Janet  To: dippitydodiane
 
  >>I even found a "Primitive Baptist Church" ??<<

These are also known as Hardshell Baptists. They believe so strongly in the Presbyterian concept of predestination that they forswear any kind of missionary activity at all in the belief that if one is not predestined for salvation, nothing anybody can say or do will bring it about. If one is predestined for salvation, likewise it will happen without intervention from anybody else.

Janet
 
44 Aug-2   From: Cheryl S/L-Reading & Listening Room  To: Janet
 
 

> These are also known as Hardshell Baptists. They believe so strongly in the Presbyterian concept of predestination that they forswear any kind of missionary activity at all in the belief that if one is not predestined for salvation, nothing anybody can say or do will bring it about. If one is predestined for salvation, likewise it will happen without intervention from anybody else. <

I wonder what they think of Jesus saying "go and make disciples"? Maybe they think it means only the people who happen to stumble over the threshold of their church. It reminds me of something that happened in our church. We have an official Outreach Mission in our congregation but it's hard to convince some of the cradle roll Lutherans.

Our church doors are usually locked during the week because the office is not in eye-sight of the sancutary. Those who have a reason to be there have keys -- except on Tuesdays, when there is Bible Study, so the doors are left unlocked. When we were leaving Bible Study, we met a weepy woman who seemed confused, needed a ride home and was obviously drunk or high. One of the women in our study and the Pastor got her home (she did live nearby). Later in the week we were telling this story to a group of women in the church in order to pray for her, when one quipped, "See -- we don't need to do outreach -- they'll come to us." <S> She was kidding...sort of.

peace,

Cheryl
 
45 Aug-2   From: Janet  To: Cheryl S/L-Reading & Listening Room
 
  >>I wonder what they think of Jesus saying "go and make disciples"?<<

Not much, I suspect. This is why the number of Primitive Baptists worldwide is on the low side of, say, ten or so.

Janet
 
46 Aug-2   From: lrschrs  To: WizopTom Sims
 
  A good book on the theme is Elton Trueblood's classic THE HUMOR OF CHRIST. Ironicly it is a sort of 'serious' look at how He uses humor to teach, but it does have a good point to make.
 
47 Aug-2   From: Brenda  To: dippitydodiane
 
   

Just ask me I’ve got a million on them….lol

Southern Baptist under SB Convention (SBC) is a US-based cooperative ministry agency serving Baptist churches around the world.

Then you have the Baptist Babble Fellowship, for pastors only. (Falwell, for an example). They are affiliated with the SBC.

Independent Baptist (also referred to Fundamental Baptist, or IFB) the "iffers" are churches holding to Baptist beliefs but are characterized by being independent from the authority of denominations and church councils. Reformed Baptists (½) lol….are the ones that were not certain if they wanted to be Baptists or Calvinists so they declared they are both.

I think they hold fast to the 1644 or 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith. They can trace their history through the early modern Particular Baptists of England.

Primitive Baptists (¼) have a historical connection to the missionary/anti missionary dividing Baptists of America in the early part of the 19th century. They could also be called the “Old Time Baptists”…but I might be mistaken on that one.

Free Will Baptist Church (or Free Will Baptists) is a group of churches that share a common history, name, and an acceptance of the Arminian theology of free grace, free salvation, and free will, based on the idea of general atonement but they will pick your pocket for the good of God before you get out of service.

If you want to see miracles happen go to any Baptist Church. I went there one day for prayer. I had terrible leg cramps. They bear hugged me to the floor and my legs didn’t hurt anymore….until I got up. Lol

I would really have to say the Baptist churches I have been to are the most friendly. They hug up on you, fed you and then make you listen.

They never tell the mamas with those crying babies to leave the service either cause their pastors are very skillfull in preaching right over any loud emotions.

Brenda

 
48 Aug-2   From: Found Said  To: Harold
 
 

<<I surely didn't mean that you don't have a sense of humor.>>

That's alright, Harold. It's understandable.

 
49 Aug-2   From: lrschrs  To: Harold
 
 

A preacher is also a human being, and if we place him, or ourselves, outside the sphere of common human ineptness and folly we set up an idol.

The preacher in that sort of case may have retracted what he said, I would never do that, but some would, but I suspect he also wished you to go to a place you don't really believe exists, and quickly at that.

That is because while a verbal reference to the sin of cussing may seem out of place in a sermon against it, or in an illustration fo sin, to some people, I think all really human people would find interupting any speaker to gripe about it to be arrogant and uncalled for. [now if the man had started cussing like a saior to illustrate what he meant, that might be another story].

Anybody speaking with passion will at some point in time, however 'spiritual' they are, most likely say something not quite right, if one has never ever seen themselves able to do that I suspect their speech is artificially contrived and edited so much beforehand that it is dead and flabby and prissy and utterly powerless. Of course we should striuve not to offend, but heaven help any who are so easily offended they can't think us human and laugh at our folly WITH US rather than stand up as some kind of plastic plaster sueprsaint against the very expression of life.

Real people slip on real verbal banana peels at times. for example I misspelled a word in the sentence "God emptied His bowls of wrath on sin" in this passage, Rev. 16:1ff. [an extra 'e' in the fourth word]. After we all had a good laugh when this was pointe dout one person quipped, 'yes, that tells us God was REALLY mad at sin, doesn't it?' . Life is like that at times.

 
50 Aug-2   From: Janet  To: Brenda
 
  >> Baptist Babble Fellowship,<<

Babble?? Is that a typo?

Janet
 
51 Aug-2   From: WizopTom Sims  To: lrschrs
 
  Trueblood's treatment of this topic is the best I have ever read.

That is true of almost everything he ever tackled in my opinion.

- Tom
 
52 Aug-3   From: Harold  To: Deb
 
 

>>The worst time to get the sillies is at a funeral. But it's
happened to me in church.The pastors were not always amused. :-?>>

It happened to one of our pastors. A friend of mine. He was so
embarrassed. He got tickeled about something before the funeral
started and just could not shake it. He said he tried to make it
look like he was crying. You have to know him to see how that
wouldn't work.

Harold.

 
53 Aug-3   From: Harold  To: lrschrs
 
 

You are, without a doubt, what this discussion is about. I don't
think I have ever ran accross anyone who can find the least little
bit to twist.

The preacher in question was not the least put out. He laughed
right along with the rest of the congregation. You seem to think
that we all have very thin skins. I think you do. Or is it just
the opposite? Your skin is so thick that you don't feel a thing?

Harold.

 
54 Aug-3   From: Deb  To: Harold
 
 

>>The worst time to get the sillies is at a funeral. But it's
happened to me in church.The pastors were not always amused. :-?>>

<It happened to one of our pastors. A friend of mine. He was so
embarrassed. He got tickeled about something before the funeral started and just could not shake it. He said he tried to make it look like he was crying. You have to know him to see how that wouldn't work.>

:-D Poor guy! I might have started crying of embarassment. Was he doing the service?

 
55 Aug-3   From: Cheryl S/L-Reading & Listening Room  To: Deb
 
 

> The worst time to get the sillies is at a funeral. But it's happened to me in church.The pastors were not always amused. :-? <

Reminds me of the Mary Tyler Moore show where the TV cast and crew attend the funeral of Chuckles the Clown. Mary just could not stop giggling. She had it controlled until someone read a tribute to Chuckles which said "A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants" and she lost it. <s>

peace,

Cheryl
 
56 Aug-3   From: Deb  To: Cheryl S/L-Reading & Listening Room
 
 

> The worst time to get the sillies is at a funeral. But it's happened to me in church.The pastors were not always amused. :-? <

<Reminds me of the Mary Tyler Moore show where the TV cast and crew attend the funeral of Chuckles the Clown. Mary just could not stop giggling. She had it controlled until someone read a tribute to Chuckles which said "A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants" and she lost it. <s>>

Omigosh <G>

 
57 Aug-3   From: Cheryl S/L-Reading & Listening Room  To: Deb
 
 

Enjoy!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WjJ_Gy1gOOU

 
58 Aug-3   From: Harold  To: Deb
 
 

>>Poor guy! I might have started crying of embarassment.
Was he doing the service?>>

Yes. I wish I could remember the details. It had something to do
with something one of the mourners said to him about the deceased.
Somehow, it just broke him up. I know that has happened to you. It
surely has to me. Maybe not at a funeral, but almost as bad.

Harold.

 
59 Aug-3   From: Brenda  To: Janet
 
 

Babble was suppose to be Bible -- but in real life I just don't understand Jerry F. sometimes. Nothing against him or his cronies.

Brenda

 
60 Aug-3   From: Janet  To: Brenda
 
  >>Babble was suppose to be Bible<<

I asked because some folks think "Babble" is entirely appropriate and accurate.

Janet
 
61 Aug-3   From: Brenda  To: Richard W.
 
 

<<Probably the Russian Orthodox Church.>>

I was reading that Russian Orthodox believers are in communion with all other Eastern Orthodox believers.
So, that's a start.

Brenda

 
62 Aug-3   From: Brenda  To: Deb
 
 

<<Baptists do too, just not during the service. :-)
>>

That's true. Are you back on-line now and puter all fixed?

Brenda

 
63 Aug-3   From: Brenda  To: raven
 
 

<<One thing you can probably say about their pews then is "PHEW".
>>

I think they could have spent money on other needy things other than the pews afterall they don't sit in their seats very much. lol

Brenda

 
64 Aug-3   From: Brenda  To: WizopTom Sims
 
 

<<certainly with the disciples.>> Yep especially when they went fishing ... "look world what we caught."

Brenda

 
65 Aug-3   From: Brenda  To: Janet
 
 

Edward Abbey "The missionaries go forth to Christianize the savages-- as if the savages weren't dangerous enough already."

There are several Appalachian Mountain churches that still today use snakes in their services, encourages laying hands on the sick, speak in tongues, provide testimony miracles. I mean you can not walk in and walk out the same way. Lol

They have strict dress code such as uncut hair, no cosmetics (they would change their mind on that one if they seen me in the morning).

Short hair and long sleeved shirts for men. Men only preach. No tobacco or alcohol. Some abstain from holidays such as birthdays and Christmas because they can’t agree which day Jesus was born on. I guess some just prefer not to have any Spirit at their weddings. lol

Brenda

 
66 Aug-3   From: Deb  To: Brenda
 
 

<<Baptists do too, just not during the service. :-)
>>

<That's true. Are you back on-line now and puter all fixed?>

This is a rental, but it's in the house, so it's easier to be online more often than when we had to go to the library. We have this for 2 weeks, then we'll do some more shopping.

 
67 Aug-3   From: Brenda  To: Deb
 
 

<<We have this for 2 weeks, then we'll do some more shopping.
>>

Sounds like a good fix in a tempo way.

Brenda

 
68 Aug-3   From: Deb  To: Brenda
 
 

<<We have this for 2 weeks, then we'll do some more shopping.
>>

<Sounds like a good fix in a tempo way>

Yep, we had to have something for Matt to use to fix up his graphic design for the competition.

 
69 Aug-3   From: Janet  To: Brenda
 
  >>There are several Appalachian Mountain churches that still today use snakes in their services,<<

I'm against snakes in church. Well, I'm against snakes in general.

Janet
 
70 Aug-4   From: Deb  To: Cheryl S/L-Reading & Listening Room
 
 

Cheryl,

Thanks for the Chuckles video. :-)

 
71 Aug-4   From: Deb  To: Harold
 
 

>>Poor guy! I might have started crying of embarassment.
Was he doing the service?>>

<Yes. I wish I could remember the details. It had something to do
with something one of the mourners said to him about the deceased.
Somehow, it just broke him up. I know that has happened to you. It
surely has to me. Maybe not at a funeral, but almost as bad>

Yes, I've been there. Once I actually questioned my own sanity, it was that tough to quit laughing. .<s>

 
72 Aug-4   From: KAT  To: WizopTom Sims
 
  I have a rather Odd sense of humor... it is wry and dark sometimes and somepeople just don't get me. And I am a Christian <g>